Re: Muhammed a fake prophet?

Apr 19, '13, 5:05 am

johanben  Trial Membership   Join Date: April 19, 2013 Posts: 5 Religion: catholic

Muhammed a fake prophet? What i see of Muhammad How can a guy who have more than 20 wives be a prophet, the youngest of them all was just 6 when he married her, he killed jews for fun, believed in violence, said jesus is not son of the god and misguided people threatening him... plz watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QeamHVfos this video proves Muhammad was killed for being a false prophet, following the Qur'ans words itself, i cant see any diff between Muhammad and the self proclaimed second Christ David Koresh.

#2    Apr 19, '13, 6:33 am

michaelmas  Junior Member   Join Date: September 11, 2011 Posts: 375 Religion: Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? 1. You can not compare Mohammad's time with today. You can't compare that. Different times different ways of life. 2. Does it matter? What matters is Christ. Why waste energy on this?

#3    Apr 19, '13, 7:12 am

jakasaki  Regular Member   Join Date: December 17, 2008 Posts: 5,346 Religion: Eastern Orthodox ~ Byzantine

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Wrong forum - this belongs to the Non-Catholic forum This site is for Staff Chat only __________________

#4    Apr 19, '13, 7:16 am

jonathan_hili  Regular Member   Join Date: November 29, 2009 Posts: 988 Religion: Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? *Yawn* Of course he was, he denied the crucifixion. Even a good historian could have got that right, let alone a prophet of God.

#5    Apr 19, '13, 7:29 am

LightFromLight  New Member   Join Date: February 24, 2013 Posts: 104 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by johanben  What i see of Muhammad How can a guy who have more than 20 wives be a prophet, the youngest of them all was just 6 when he married her, he killed jews for fun, believed in violence, said jesus is not son of the god and misguided people threatening him... plz watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QeamHVfos this video proves Muhammad was killed for being a false prophet, following the Qur'ans words itself, i cant see any diff between Muhammad and the self proclaimed second Christ David Koresh. Do you see similarities between Muhammed and Joseph Smith? They seem to have a lot in common. __________________ Ad maiorem Dei gloriam inque hominum salutem

#6    Apr 19, '13, 8:15 am

Blue_Goose  New Member   Join Date: March 15, 2013 Posts: 51 Religion: Roman Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Yes, he was a false prophet. If you really need or want to know the facts about Islam then go to www.jihadwatch.com or read some of Robert Spencer's books.

#7    Apr 19, '13, 8:21 am

Perfume of God  New Member   Join Date: July 23, 2012 Posts: 12 Religion: Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? YES! for that question 3 letters says it all

#8    Apr 19, '13, 8:23 am

mhmtas  New Member   Join Date: March 11, 2013 Posts: 58 Religion: Muslim

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by johanben  What i see of Muhammad How can a guy who have more than 20 wives be a prophet, the youngest of them all was just 6 when he married her, he killed jews for fun, believed in violence, said jesus is not son of the god and misguided people threatening him... plz watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QeamHVfos this video proves Muhammad was killed for being a false prophet, following the Qur'ans words itself, i cant see any diff between Muhammad and the self proclaimed second Christ David Koresh. Your way is so unsightly that you affront prophet of Muslim. Wheras Muslim do not insult Prophet Jesus ( Peace be upon him) and accept and believe that he is prophet. But as Allah (God ) say in Qoran that trinity is a wrong idea and God is unique and does not accept any partner, son, i.e.g. Christians claim that Jesus is son of God and share divinity and show Bibles as evidence. But it is not obvious that real Bible remain pure. Maybe some ideas of writer of Bibles were conjectured as God’s words. İf Chcristians can prove their claims let do. İf not than do not insult Muslims. İf Jesus remain only a prophet but not a God than there is no disadvantages because who accept Jesus as a prophet will go in heaven. But a man does not reject any prophet after thousands of proofs show his prophethood. Prophet Muhammed got married after he became prophet. To teach women the rules of İslam and to call hordes to İslam and because of other reason He got many marriages. İn that time amongs Arabian gettin marriage with several women was normal. İn hot climates woman reach puberty on 11-14 years. Prophet did not bed any woman untill she reach her puberty. And Aişe was not 6 years old when she got married. She was about 16-17 years old (There is no certain knowledge but Muslim scholars estimate that age according to accounts. İslam have rules on every stages of society. So Muslim learn the right way in marriages of prophet Muhammed. Jews were supprting adversaries of İslam. Prophet awakened them to stop that but Jews did not so Prophet Muhammed fought against them. Prophet Muhammed struggled with enemy of İslam. There always have been wars in human history. But Muslims fought to save their religion and emit faith.

#9    Apr 19, '13, 11:05 am

tabycat  Regular Member   Join Date: May 21, 2012 Posts: 1,801 Religion: catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by johanben  What i see of Muhammad How can a guy who have more than 20 wives be a prophet, the youngest of them all was just 6 when he married her, he killed jews for fun, believed in violence, said jesus is not son of the god and misguided people threatening him... plz watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QeamHVfos this video proves Muhammad was killed for being a false prophet, following the Qur'ans words itself, i cant see any diff between Muhammad and the self proclaimed second Christ David Koresh. Cool your jets!! You are not going to be able to talk, let alone convert, anybody to your way of thinking with what comes through your postl, in my opinion. BTW, the youngest 'wife' was at least nine, not six.

#10    Apr 20, '13, 6:55 am

jonathan_hili  Regular Member   Join Date: November 29, 2009 Posts: 988 Religion: Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Hi Mhmtas, thanks for the response. Don't mind some of the brusque criticism on here; we sometimes forget we have Muslim friends on this site too. I'd like to reply to some of your comments. Quote: Originally Posted by mhmtas  But as Allah (God ) say in Qoran that trinity is a wrong idea and God is unique and does not accept any partner, son, i.e.g. Christians claim that Jesus is son of God and share divinity and show Bibles as evidence. But it is not obvious that real Bible remain pure. Maybe some ideas of writer of Bibles were conjectured as God’s words. İf Christians can prove their claims let do. It is certainly possible that the Bible was not transmitted faithfully throughout the generations. However, biblical scholarship today has practically reconstructed with 100% certainly (based on analysing and comparing the variants found in thousands of manuscripts) the original text of the New Testament. If you want to challenge the biblical record, I guess you need to conjecture that the authors lied or made up Jesus saying that he was God's Son. Yet, I think this is a problem too because the entire New Testament very much supports Jesus' divinity. Is it likely that all the authors were making things up? This is especially important when you consider the following: (i) Paul, a convert from Judaism who suffered terribly for his Christian faith, believed Jesus was God. Why would he go through all this suffering (for no monetary benefit and certainly not fame - he probably would have got on much better if he was a learned rabbi following in Gamaliel's footsteps) just to defend something he made up? (ii) Some parables and sayings in the Gospel are attributed, even by the sceptical Jesus Seminar, to the authentic voice of Jesus, such as the parable of the wicked tenants. In that parable, Jesus identifies himself as the "beloved son" of the father (God), and differentiates himself from the prophets (God's messengers) and the angels, putting himself above both. (iii) It seems implausible that Jewish fishermen, women and otherwise unphilosophical people would make up this story of Jesus saying he was God, especially since it not only defied their faith but threatened their safety. (iv) Jesus' claims to divinity help explain why he was handed over to be crucified. If he was just a wandering prophet preaching "Islam", why would anyone bother to crucify him? (v) Pagan historians attest that Jesus was worshiped as a God, and we even have drawings (like the Alexamenos Graffito) that depicts someone worshiping a crucified donkey, with the text: "Alexamenos worships his god". I think Christians can and have proved this claim. It is the earliest witness of the New Testament and the Church. Isn't it more likely that Mohammed, coming six hundred years later, would be in error about what Jesus said than his own disciples and those of his generation? Moreover, three other facts seem to support Mohammed rather than the NT authors getting things wrong: (i) There are no documents at all that contain variants of the NT without Jesus' divine claims. (ii) The Qu'ran seems to mistakenly call the Trinity: God the Father, Jesus and Mary, which was never a true belief. (Surah 5:116) (iii) Islam seems to deny the crucifixion, which is practically an established historical fact, that even non-Christian scholars hold. Again, thank you for your response and I hope you will consider mine. God bless you.

#11    Apr 24, '13, 4:26 am

johanben  Trial Membership   Join Date: April 19, 2013 Posts: 5 Religion: catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? i would respect jesus even if i am not a xian, even if he wasn't resurrected i would respect him like i respect gandhi or nelson mandela or vivekananda, what makes him special is that he ressurected from the dead unlike gandhi.... but evenif he was resurrected but he led a life of violence i would never believe him as a god.... the xian background states about a generous god who treats everybody the same without counting their effort, its not that i dont respect muhammed as a prophet, its that i dont respect him as a person, as a human being, his charecter... and about the video... i didn't posted it... the language is filled witth hatred but i checked the translations for the quran quotes, its exactly as the video says.....

#12    Apr 24, '13, 4:29 am

johanben  Trial Membership   Join Date: April 19, 2013 Posts: 5 Religion: catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by jonathan_hili  Hi Mhmtas, thanks for the response. Don't mind some of the brusque criticism on here; we sometimes forget we have Muslim friends on this site too. I'd like to reply to some of your comments. It is certainly possible that the Bible was not transmitted faithfully throughout the generations. However, biblical scholarship today has practically reconstructed with 100% certainly (based on analysing and comparing the variants found in thousands of manuscripts) the original text of the New Testament. If you want to challenge the biblical record, I guess you need to conjecture that the authors lied or made up Jesus saying that he was God's Son. Yet, I think this is a problem too because the entire New Testament very much supports Jesus' divinity. Is it likely that all the authors were making things up? This is especially important when you consider the following: (i) Paul, a convert from Judaism who suffered terribly for his Christian faith, believed Jesus was God. Why would he go through all this suffering (for no monetary benefit and certainly not fame - he probably would have got on much better if he was a learned rabbi following in Gamaliel's footsteps) just to defend something he made up? (ii) Some parables and sayings in the Gospel are attributed, even by the sceptical Jesus Seminar, to the authentic voice of Jesus, such as the parable of the wicked tenants. In that parable, Jesus identifies himself as the "beloved son" of the father (God), and differentiates himself from the prophets (God's messengers) and the angels, putting himself above both. (iii) It seems implausible that Jewish fishermen, women and otherwise unphilosophical people would make up this story of Jesus saying he was God, especially since it not only defied their faith but threatened their safety. (iv) Jesus' claims to divinity help explain why he was handed over to be crucified. If he was just a wandering prophet preaching "Islam", why would anyone bother to crucify him? (v) Pagan historians attest that Jesus was worshiped as a God, and we even have drawings (like the Alexamenos Graffito) that depicts someone worshiping a crucified donkey, with the text: "Alexamenos worships his god". I think Christians can and have proved this claim. It is the earliest witness of the New Testament and the Church. Isn't it more likely that Mohammed, coming six hundred years later, would be in error about what Jesus said than his own disciples and those of his generation? Moreover, three other facts seem to support Mohammed rather than the NT authors getting things wrong: (i) There are no documents at all that contain variants of the NT without Jesus' divine claims. (ii) The Qu'ran seems to mistakenly call the Trinity: God the Father, Jesus and Mary, which was never a true belief. (Surah 5:116) (iii) Islam seems to deny the crucifixion, which is practically an established historical fact, that even non-Christian scholars hold. Again, thank you for your response and I hope you will consider mine. God bless you. the muslim belief is that quran is absolutely correct, since it was given to muhammed by the god itself, jus like god gave the 10 commandments to mosses... if there is a fault in quran, then that destroys the entire belief....

#13    Apr 24, '13, 4:32 am

johanben  Trial Membership   Join Date: April 19, 2013 Posts: 5 Religion: catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by tabycat  Cool your jets!! You are not going to be able to talk, let alone convert, anybody to your way of thinking with what comes through your postl, in my opinion. BTW, the youngest 'wife' was at least nine, not six.   9 or 6 i dont think that makes a difference... and i am cool

#14    Apr 24, '13, 7:30 am

meltzerboy  Senior Member   Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 6,981 Religion: Jewish

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by johanben  What i see of Muhammad How can a guy who have more than 20 wives be a prophet, the youngest of them all was just 6 when he married her, he killed jews for fun, believed in violence, said jesus is not son of the god and misguided people threatening him... plz watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QeamHVfos this video proves Muhammad was killed for being a false prophet, following the Qur'ans words itself, i cant see any diff between Muhammad and the self proclaimed second Christ David Koresh. To believers and followers of Islam, Muhammad was the last and greatest of the prophets. They also accept Jesus as a prophet but not as G-d, or the son of G-d. According to Judaism, neither Muhammad nor Jesus was a prophet. Since Christians believe Jesus was both the Messiah and G-d, Jesus is thought to be the last and greatest of the prophets as well. Three different Abrahamic religions although essentially the same G-d. Let's leave it there.

#15    Apr 25, '13, 2:46 am

jonathan_hili  Regular Member   Join Date: November 29, 2009 Posts: 988 Religion: Catholic

Re: Muhammed a fake prophet? Quote: Originally Posted by meltzerboy  To believers and followers of Islam, Muhammad was the last and greatest of the prophets. They also accept Jesus as a prophet but not as G-d, or the son of G-d. According to Judaism, neither Muhammad nor Jesus was a prophet. Since Christians believe Jesus was both the Messiah and G-d, Jesus is thought to be the last and greatest of the prophets as well. Three different Abrahamic religions although essentially the same G-d. Let's leave it there. To a degree, yes. However, you still need to deal with the data and can't honestly turn a blind eye to it.